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@@ -359,8 +359,8 @@ Either the personal is political, or politics is insufficient for
 >   people and founding a political community, should solemnly proclaim
 >   (Declaration of 1791) the justification of the egoistic man, man
 >   separated from his fellow men and from the community, and should
 >   people and founding a political community, should solemnly proclaim
 >   (Declaration of 1791) the justification of the egoistic man, man
 >   separated from his fellow men and from the community, and should

->   even repeat this prose lamation at a moment when only the most
->   heroic sacrifice can save the nation and hence is urgentity
+>   even repeat this proclamation at a moment when only the most
+>   heroic sacrifice can save the nation and hence is urgently

 >   required, when the sacrifice of all the interests of civil society
 >   is highly imperaive and egoism must be punished as crime
 >   (Declaration of the Rights of Man of 1793).
 >   required, when the sacrifice of all the interests of civil society
 >   is highly imperaive and egoism must be punished as crime
 >   (Declaration of the Rights of Man of 1793).


@@ -492,39 +492,48 @@ It does not precede it.
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 > But in spite of all his apparent iconoclasm one already finds in
 {as=figure}
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 > But in spite of all his apparent iconoclasm one already finds in

->   Qu’est-ce que la propriété’?  the contradiction that Proudhon is
+>   _Qu’est-ce que la propriété_{as="cite" lang="fr"}? the
+>   contradiction that Proudhon is

 >   criticising society, on the one hand, from the standpoint and with
 >   criticising society, on the one hand, from the standpoint and with

->   the eyes of a French small-holding peasant (later petit bourgeois)
+>   the eyes of a French small-holding peasant (later
+>   _petit bourgeois_{as="i" lang="fr"})

 >   and, on the other, that he measures it with the standards he
 >   inherited from the socialists.
 >
 > The deficiency of the book is indicated by its very title.
 >   The question is so badly formulated that it cannot be answered
 >   correctly.
 >   and, on the other, that he measures it with the standards he
 >   inherited from the socialists.
 >
 > The deficiency of the book is indicated by its very title.
 >   The question is so badly formulated that it cannot be answered
 >   correctly.

-> Ancient “property relations” were superseded by feudal property
->   relations and these by “bourgeois” property relations.
->   Thus history itself had expressed its criticism upon past property
->   relations.
-> What Proudhon was actually dealing with was modern bourgeois
->   property as it exists today.
+> _Ancient “property relations”_ were superseded by _feudal_ property
+>   relations and these by “_bourgeois_” property relations.
+>   Thus history itself had expressed its criticism upon past
+>   _property
+>   relations_.
+> What Proudhon was actually dealing with was _modern bourgeois
+>   property_ as it exists today.

 > The question of what this is could have only been answered by a
 > The question of what this is could have only been answered by a

->   critical analysis of “political economy,” embracing the totality of
->   these property relations, considering not their legal aspect as
->   relations of volition but their real form, that is, as relations of
->   production.
+>   critical analysis of “_political economy_,” embracing the totality
+>   of
+>   these _property relations_, considering not their _legal_ aspect
+>   as
+>   _relations of volition_ but their real form, that is, as
+>   _relations of
+>   production_.

 > But as Proudhon entangled the whole of these economic relations in
 > But as Proudhon entangled the whole of these economic relations in

->   the general legal concept of “property,” “la propriété,” he could
+>   the general legal concept of “_property_,”
+>   “_la propriété_{as="i" lang="fr"},” he could

 >   not get beyond the answer which, in a similar work published before
 >   not get beyond the answer which, in a similar work published before

->   1789, Brissot had already given in the same words: “La propriété
->   c’est le vol.”
+>   1789, Brissot had already given in the same words: “_La propriété
+>   c’est le vol._{as="i" lang="fr"}”

 >
 > The upshot is at best that the bourgeois legal conceptions of
 >
 > The upshot is at best that the bourgeois legal conceptions of

->   “theft” apply equally well to the “honest” gains of the bourgeois
+>   “_theft_” apply equally well to the “_honest_” gains of the
+>   bourgeois

 >   himself.
 >   himself.

-> On the other hand, since “theft” as a forcible violation of
->   property presupposes the existence of property, Proudhon entangled
+> On the other hand, since “_theft_” as a forcible violation of
+>   property _presupposes the existence of property_, Proudhon
+>   entangled

 >   himself in all sorts of fantasies, obscure even to himself, about
 >   himself in all sorts of fantasies, obscure even to himself, about

->   true bourgeois property.
+>   _true bourgeois property_.

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 “What is property?” is a bad question;
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 “What is property?” is a bad question;


@@ -543,5 +552,5 @@ When writing _Oppenheimer_{as="cite"}, Christopher Nolan apparently
 
 [^DSD161718]:
   From _Der Social-Demokrat_ Nos. 16, 17, and 18; as
 
 [^DSD161718]:
   From _Der Social-Demokrat_ Nos. 16, 17, and 18; as

-  [republished][https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/letters/65_01_24.htm]
+  [republished](https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/letters/65_01_24.htm)

   by Marxists.org
   by Marxists.org