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   1 # Pokemon GO PVP Teams
   2
   3 This page lists teams used by editors of this wiki to play ranked PVP
   4   matches on _Pokémon GO_{as=cite}.
   5 In PoGO, the ranked ladder resets with the game-wide 90-day seasons,
   6   at which point balance changes are introduced.
   7
   8 It is overwhelmingly likely that [][@:Aescling] will be the only ever
   9   contributor to this page.
  10
  11 ## Timeless Travels
  12
  13 {as=section lang=en-X-catspeak}
  14 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
  15
  16 ### [][@:Aescling]
  17
  18 at some point during timeless travels i began to build to build
  19   (reasonably) viable mons fur pvp and made a concerted effurt to climb
  20   the ladder.
  21 at time of writing, {% 2022-02-18 %}
  22   with less than two weeks remaining in the season,
  23   i am at 2200+ ELO, solidly in the ace ranking.
  24 (fur comparison, the highest ranking of legend requires 3000 ELO; my
  25   current ranking is hardly a great accomplishment.)
  26
  27 #### _DYTSMBaL?_{as=cite}
  28
  29 {as=details}
  30 ::::::::::::
  31 {as=summary}
  32 teamsheet
  33
  34 * Death Charm (Alolan Ninetails) \
  35   11/15/11 (rank 731/4096) \
  36   Charm, Weather Ball, Psyshock
  37 * Snampy (Froslass) \
  38   5/14/14 (rank 472/4096) \
  39   Powder Snow, Avalanche, Shadow Ball
  40 * [Shadow][HNISILU]{title="external Twitter link"} (Umbreon) \
  41   0/15/14 (rank 2/4096) \
  42   Snarl, Foul Play, Last Resort
  43 ::::::::::::
  44
  45 the furst team i built fur pvp with (reasonably) viable mons, whose use
  46   began during one of the limited cups.
  47 the team has something of an anti-synergy; charm alolan ninetails generally
  48   sacrifices shields to take switch advantage with its very heavy fast move
  49   purressure, but froslass is so glassy you either need to lead or save
  50   shields to sweep with it in the back.
  51 umbreon is used as a basic and simple safe swap, as always.
  52
  53 #### _GLemix_{as=cite}
  54
  55 {as=details}
  56 ::::::::::::
  57 {as=summary}
  58 teamsheet
  59
  60 * Mini Beast (Ninetails) \
  61   11/15/11 (rank 731/4096) \
  62   Charm, Weather Ball, Psyshock
  63 * Snampy (Froslass) \
  64   5/14/14 (rank 472/4096) \
  65   Powder Snow, Avalanche, Shadow Ball
  66 * Divebomb (Decidueye) \
  67   0/14/13 (rank 767/4096) \
  68   Leafage, Frenzy Plant, Brave Bird
  69 ::::::::::::
  70
  71 a team built fur the Great League remix cup, which ran just after the
  72   rowlet commewnity day.
  73 decidueye is not a purrticularly excellent mon but obtaining shield
  74   advantage allows it threaten to sweep in the back with brave birds.
  75 of course, this is not a fantastic synergy with froslass, leaving the
  76   team lacking in a safe swap and double weak to dark and ghost.
  77 one small benefit this team had thanks to rowlet learning spirit
  78   shackle on evolution during commewnity day was that many players in
  79   low ELO (i was well below ace rank at the time) were completely
  80   caught off guard by brave bird, even thuogh
  81   [PvPoke][PvPoke] recommends the moveset.
  82
  83 #### _Meta-ish_{as=cite}
  84
  85 {as=details}
  86 ::::::::::::
  87 {as=summary}
  88 teamsheet
  89
  90 * Sparkblub (Lanturn) \
  91   5/15/12 (rank 68/4096) \
  92   Spark, Surf, Thunderbolt
  93 * Shadow (Umbreon) \
  94   0/15/14 (rank 2/4096) \
  95   Snarl, Foul Play, Last Resort
  96 * Mini Beast (Ninetails) \
  97   11/15/11 (rank 731/4096) \
  98   Charm, Weather Ball, Psyshock
  99 ::::::::::::
 100
 101 despite a very obvious double weakness to the :U+201C:mudboys:U+201D:
 102   (that is, water/ground dual types) that had become very common in the
 103   open great league, i managed to climb to ace rank with this team.
 104 lanturn frankly hard carried this team; a bulky lead that counters a
 105   water-heavy meta (except fur mud) and the ever-strong safe swap in
 106   umbreon (even given the heavy purresence of counter users) gives the
 107   team more than enough bulk to work around purroblematic matchups to
 108   some extent.
 109
 110 i frankly somewhat doubt the fact that lanturn is ranked so highly in
 111   the open great league on PvPoke, as ground types are so common
 112   lately.
 113 that said, its obvious strength cannot be denied; it is almost like
 114   simply using actually good mons makes it much easier to climb the
 115   ladder.
 116
 117 #### _Meta-ish MBCed_{as=cite}
 118
 119 {as=details}
 120 ::::::::::::
 121 {as=summary}
 122 teamsheet
 123
 124 * Sparkblub (Lanturn) \
 125   5/15/12 (rank 68/4096) \
 126   Spark, Surf, Thunderbolt
 127 * Shadow (Umbreon) \
 128   0/15/14 (rank 2/4096) \
 129   Snarl, Foul Play, Last Resort
 130 * Snampy (Froslass) \
 131   5/14/14 (rank 472/4096) \
 132   Powder Snow, Avalanche, Shadow Ball
 133 ::::::::::::
 134
 135 replacing ninetails my beloved with froslass helps this team
 136   substantially, giving it some (if not always excellent) play against
 137   dragon and ground, while dropping the double weakness to mud.
 138 the big challenge of running this team is that lanturn and umbreon
 139   do not consistently purressure shields enough to suppurt a glass
 140   cannon in the back, having led to many games where froslass proves
 141   too frail to clutch a win at the end of an even game, even with type
 142   advantage.
 143 notably, this team seems to be buffed by the current catch cup meta,
 144   which has removed most steel types and greatly increased the
 145   purresence of dragons (thanks to the recent lunar new year event).
 146
 147 a funny gimmicky interaction that i have had multiple times on this
 148   team, and one that instantly wins the lead when it happens, is made
 149   pawsible when the opponent leads annihilape (which is popular at the
 150   moment at my pussition in ladder).
 151 most players seem committed to throwing shadow ball on alignment (which
 152   happens to line up with exactly when lanturn charges up thunderbolt);
 153   annihilape users generally do not respect surf (which is reasonable)
 154   and therefore eat the damage, and then allow their shadow balls to be
 155   caught on umbreon, instantly losing the lead and often forcing a
 156   switch.
 157 because it is not terribly useful to pair a counter to dark with a
 158   counter user (that already beats umbreon, but only slighly), the
 159   result is usually advantageous.
 160 this is hardly an excellent play, but it is very funny that i have
 161   pulled it as many times as i have, to the extent that i now actively
 162   look out fur the oppurrtunity.
 163
 164 ##### _Meta-ish MBCed_{as=cite}: closing thoughts
 165
 166 on the friday just befur the sinnoh tour weekend, just over a week
 167   befur the close of the season, yr cat just barely crossed the
 168   2500 elo threshold of veteran rank.
 169 i have stopped making a concerted effurt towards laddering (even as
 170   stardust rewards are still boosted fur the remaining week of the
 171   season, which is a shame to miss out on), and i would like to
 172   purresent some closing extra thoughts on the team and my skills as
 173   a player
 174
 175 i find it interesting that i managed to ladder so far---at least 700
 176   elo---with a lanturn/umbreon core; both mons are absol-utely strong
 177   in the great league but it is not exactly an obvious pairing, since
 178   umbreon does nothing to deal with lanturn:U+2019:s ground weakness.
 179   (again, grass is currently uncommon enough to mostly ignore.)
 180 it is not lost on me that my push to veteran did involve covering
 181   ground, even if not with the most obvious choice of skarmory, who
 182   i do not have (with great league stats, at least)
 183
 184 i think of the significant changes i made that allowed me to reach
 185   veteran was a reevaluation of how to play froslass.
 186 while it *is* true that froslass heavily benefits from shield (or
 187   energy) advantage, sometimes it is still the best play to bring it
 188   out even in two shield scenarios (though this must be done
 189   decisively; froslass gets destroyed by minor energy disadvantages.)
 190 i found myself :U+201C:safe switching:U+201D: against mud boys very
 191   often; against whiscash (who is often left in) this play will
 192   actually usually force the oppenent to give up their shields
 193   (especially as i lead a good mon hard countered by ground.)
 194 (umbreon is a losing switch into whiscash if a scald burn ever
 195   happens, and that usually does happen)
 196
 197 a consistent weakness i have recognized in my play while laddering
 198   to veteran is my poor sense of alignment: i often recognize
 199   situations where i have a hard counter to one or more mons in the
 200   opposing team, but have many times failed to force the team to
 201   have to deal with the disadvantage by giving up switch.
 202 similarly, i have forced myself into bad matchups in many situations
 203   by switching aggressively to purrevent energy disanvantages, which
 204   i really should have learned better than to do a long time ago.
 205 so it goes.
 206
 207 i am not sure what the next season will look like fur me, what with
 208   any pawtential balance changes and a general lack of extra mons to
 209   play with.
 210 i do have an rank 9 lickitung i intend to build eventually, as well
 211   as a rank 40 (non-shadow) dragonair, as well as a reasonably good
 212   chargabug and (eventually) azumarill; and, of course, the cresselia
 213   from the road to sinnoh raid challenge (who i would like to trade
 214   fur better IVs).
 215 but it is not immediately clear to me that i have mons that would
 216   solve my current purroblems when it comes to overall teambuilding.
 217 i also do not have much stardust left to build mons with either, not
 218   to mention elite TMs
 219 time will tell what the future hath in store, i suppose!
 220
 221 #### _Meta-ish Dair_{as=cite}
 222
 223 {as=details}
 224 ::::::::::::
 225 {as=summary}
 226 teamsheet
 227
 228 * Dragonair \
 229   4/14/15 (rank 40/4096) \
 230   Spark, Surf, Thunderbolt
 231 * Sparkblub (Lanturn) \
 232   5/15/12 (rank 68/4096) \
 233   Spark, Surf, Thunderbolt
 234 * Snampy (Froslass) \
 235   5/14/14 (rank 472/4096) \
 236   Powder Snow, Avalanche, Shadow Ball
 237 ::::::::::::
 238
 239 fur the final week of gbl i decided not to worry about laddering, and
 240   in fact almost decided not to play any gbl at all.
 241 then i remembered that stardust rewards fur the last week of gbl were
 242   inflated, so i decided to try out dragonair and see how it worked,
 243   especially given that it would be somewhat buffed in world of
 244   wonders, just enough that early PvPoke simulations were giving
 245   dragonair a just barely pawsitive weighted battle record
 246
 247 it may be clear from the teamsheet already, but this team _struggled_.
 248 i dropped to 2200 elo trying to make the team work.
 249
 250 at furst i used dragonair on the lead with my lanturn/umbreon core that
 251   i used to climb ladder, but after getting punished enough fur the
 252   double-weakness to fairy i switched out umbreon fur frosslass.
 253 this left the team without anything of a real safe swap, and made it
 254   difficult to play around lost leads.
 255 it definitely did not help that both dragonair and froslass are quite
 256   frail.
 257
 258 more than anything else, i fuond from playing this team that
 259   familiarity with the mons on your team is very impurrtant to this
 260   game.
 261 i think it even bigger deal that i did not know how to play dragonair
 262   well that made this team, than that the team has obvious weaknesses
 263   (hell, my most tryhard laddering team has obvious weaknesses).
 264
 265 if i were to try a team like this again, i might simply accept the
 266   double weakness to fairy and run the umbreon/lanturn core until i
 267   have better mons to suppurt dragonair with
 268
 269 #### timeless travels: some unfocused closing thoughts
 270
 271 {as=details}
 272 ::::::::::::
 273 {as=summary}
 274 end of season stats
 275
 276 * Veteran rank; 2220 final ELO
 277 * **Wins**{as=b}: 729
 278 * **Battles**{as=b}: 1,415 {% 51.5 purrcent winrate %}
 279 * **Longest Streak**{as=b}: 13
 280 * **Stardust Earned**{as=b}: 1,933,448
 281 ::::::::::::
 282
 283 it is really too bad that i have struggled to even find a skarmory this
 284   season, not to mention one with good IVs!
 285
 286 the rough end to my season, as well as the chaos inevitable from a
 287   ladder reset, has shaken my confidence in the game more than a little
 288   bit.
 289 this is somewhat unfair, i suppose, given that even the best purrformance
 290   i have managed out of a team still has some very obvious weaknesses,
 291   but it is still unnerving to face the fact that i still have a long
 292   way to go in this game, and not just in getting the mon fur good team
 293   compussitions
 294
 295 something that has also become clear to me is that i simply do not have
 296   it in me to consistently play all my sets (the fact that my team
 297   needs a lot of work sure does not help!);
 298 i have simply come to expect this.
 299 frankly, i am surpurrised that i have played all my sets so far in the
 300   season at time of writing{% 2024-03-02 %}; but this streak will
 301   surely end soon enough.
 302
 303 as a side note; it has been fun that M and J have seemed to pick up gbl
 304   since the end of the season with evidently some expectation to play
 305   at all in the current one.
 306 i do wonder how much my teams would struggle against theirs!
 307
 308 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
 309
 310 ## World of Wonders
 311
 312 {as=section lang=en-X-catspeak}
 313 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
 314
 315 ### [][@:Aescling]
 316
 317 #### _Meta-ish MBCed_{as=cite}
 318
 319 {as=details}
 320 ::::::::::::
 321 {as=summary}
 322 teamsheet
 323
 324 * Sparkblub (Lanturn) \
 325   5/15/12 (rank 68) \
 326   Spark, Surf, Thunderbolt
 327 * Shadow (Umbreon) \
 328   0/15/14 (rank 2) \
 329   Snarl, Foul Play, Last Resort
 330 * Snampy (Froslass) \
 331   5/14/14 (rank 472) \
 332   Powder Snow, Avalanche, Shadow Ball
 333 ::::::::::::
 334
 335 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
 336
 337 [PvPoke]:
 338   https://pvpoke.com
 339 [HNISILU]:
 340   https://twitter.com/LuxxArt/status/1731524063787438207